tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20777155455636202882024-03-12T23:36:00.697-07:00Mail Art Statements by Ruud JanssenIt is allowed to quote from this selection of statements as long as the text isn't changed and the source is mentioned. Also I would appreciate it to get a copy of the publication (or URL) where the statements is included in. Contact: TAM, P.O. Box 1055, 4801 BB Breda, Netherlands.Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-70498192780419754502022-02-13T03:27:00.004-08:002022-02-13T03:27:42.007-08:00Statement from Richard Canard (2022)<p> The I.U.O.M.A. is one of the best & safest places to stumble & fall as there are multiple members going thru the process of "geting up again"at this very moment.</p><p>(stated on a card he sent me and signed 23.01.22</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgYfUh1qYoXFY-t2yll3kHrZEhjmSoxc188fXYhUecVvSFOvPs-CJttyvYYuVOzcTymxphm6gpu_VcV3EYLMKhRnB1DNgCcpFGxZI9kx-xvJNc1sGD4BvwIUcNTHPUiHFYC1AJp1AlTEIZvjYNll5pUD6EkQC9wMD5XNKcq-r_hhRLwTMbnxr71HUj6lw=s4032" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="300" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgYfUh1qYoXFY-t2yll3kHrZEhjmSoxc188fXYhUecVvSFOvPs-CJttyvYYuVOzcTymxphm6gpu_VcV3EYLMKhRnB1DNgCcpFGxZI9kx-xvJNc1sGD4BvwIUcNTHPUiHFYC1AJp1AlTEIZvjYNll5pUD6EkQC9wMD5XNKcq-r_hhRLwTMbnxr71HUj6lw=w400-h300" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgkAY25fcLAzUK3e0Cm4295u-NmoQE_DdkQJ6en26Z3_O530DvcNnbII27qiqRN4pWMDNptUbsQM-REA34agahY2gbA-Xwl41NAV3_uHXOna2VRcSm5ejXjzN-BOfEY3q0XMQ-nabXT6y-CjB8162D5HYrcc1LyX6Vlvo1oKP2wkgYk7enbyzcIOKZCnQ=s4032" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="300" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/a/AVvXsEgkAY25fcLAzUK3e0Cm4295u-NmoQE_DdkQJ6en26Z3_O530DvcNnbII27qiqRN4pWMDNptUbsQM-REA34agahY2gbA-Xwl41NAV3_uHXOna2VRcSm5ejXjzN-BOfEY3q0XMQ-nabXT6y-CjB8162D5HYrcc1LyX6Vlvo1oKP2wkgYk7enbyzcIOKZCnQ=w400-h300" width="400" /></a></div><br /><p><br /></p>Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-63327880734332625332017-11-26T08:45:00.003-08:002017-11-26T08:45:45.385-08:00Loosing our Back-upIn these modern digital times<br />
We have all out memories in digital forms<br />
We don't loose our memories,<br />
But we sometimes loose out Back-upRuud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-6405794020976160782017-11-25T23:00:00.000-08:002017-11-26T08:48:32.353-08:00Retired Mail-ArtistsRetired Mail-Artists<br />
They still get mail-art in<br />
But they don't answer it anymore.<br />
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see: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/retiredmailartists/?ref=bookmarks">https://www.facebook.com/groups/retiredmailartists/?ref=bookmarks</a>Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-66799720259294727122017-09-03T00:55:00.001-07:002017-09-03T00:55:25.191-07:00Mail-Art and historySeems like the old generation<br />
Of Mail-Artists is slowly vanishing<br />
Or they move online.<br />
Will Mail-Art survide another decade?Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-1484054616426401542016-10-29T05:34:00.000-07:002016-10-29T05:34:17.305-07:00Historic statements papers from the 80-ies and 90-ies<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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ex posto facto (USA) sent me some of my ols papers back just this month. The statements are still correct, so have a read yourself too.....Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-26392368904318741452016-10-26T06:32:00.002-07:002016-10-26T06:32:19.480-07:00Statement from 1988<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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Found on an enveloppe to Privat World, USA, now in the archives of John Held Jr. SF, USA.Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-12994776150907603502016-01-29T10:27:00.003-08:002016-01-29T10:27:57.615-08:00After WWW cameAfter WWW came:<br />
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The first websites<br />
The first blogs<br />
The first forums<br />
The first Social Networks<br />
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And now everybody is lost it those social networks<br />
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Ruud Janssen, 29-1-2016Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-14283962987921771812015-10-14T09:36:00.000-07:002015-10-14T09:36:26.057-07:00Mail Art oldtimersFor the Mail-Art oldtimers with over 30 years experience, the current mail-art network is a strange one. The component INTERNET was added and brought blogs, websites, social networks, and a very speedy communication that made Post-Office vanish worldwide. What is left of the Mail-Art spirit they wonder.....Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-48634507141564680732015-10-09T10:42:00.000-07:002015-10-09T10:42:16.328-07:00from Digital to AnalogThe last years all new members that enter the Mail-Art mostly discover about it online on one of the many websites, blogs or even social networks. They like what they see and start to send out mail-art the traditional way for the first time.<br />
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The last years old mail-artists who said the Internet would kill mail-art and they didn't do Internet, they actually enter Internet and show us their history.<br />
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The Mail-Art network has changed a lot.Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-33502153466639281362015-07-04T10:32:00.000-07:002015-07-04T10:32:00.240-07:00HistorificationSince each mail-artists is the centre of his own network, it is wrong to define the mail-art network from your point of view. There are always individial views of the network. Only an outside who researches the different networks and views will get a clearer picture of what the mail-art network is all about.Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-29874645279865855632015-06-03T07:09:00.002-07:002015-06-03T07:09:21.440-07:00Is Mail-Art dead?<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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A visual statement sent out in the mail-art. Original stamps made for this.Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-19149143742420778122015-05-29T10:23:00.000-07:002015-05-29T10:23:30.203-07:00To enter a museum<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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<br />Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-17847694491058384832013-09-24T12:31:00.000-07:002013-09-24T12:31:05.716-07:00RepetitionWhen long enough inside the mail-art network you realize the circle.<br />
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1. You enter the network<br />
2. You learn inside the network<br />
3. You build your own network<br />
4. You are the center of your network<br />
5. Your network grows as time and money allow.<br />
6. It grows too large<br />
7. You leave the network<br />
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After leaving, you can return any time you want by making anew the contact.<br />
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Ruud Janssen, September 23rd 2013Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-28853354643200658232011-09-25T00:06:00.001-07:002011-09-25T00:06:39.569-07:00Creating the Flux Us Rubberstamp<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiIM9iYLrLrRw6bKtOcBzx3kJjn6aZOe-78qncJssFD6pAJCQiYWwWo_2tNxKXiDFD2SClZwJFgW3tX3UIM2Gz1wYFPIeCK5KdnOdhLvQTKYJd4Rk75VmPtaNg5ZneLzcmCF_Ww2lF-qflu/s1600/IMG_2912+%255BDesktop+Resolutie%255D.JPG"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 300px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiIM9iYLrLrRw6bKtOcBzx3kJjn6aZOe-78qncJssFD6pAJCQiYWwWo_2tNxKXiDFD2SClZwJFgW3tX3UIM2Gz1wYFPIeCK5KdnOdhLvQTKYJd4Rk75VmPtaNg5ZneLzcmCF_Ww2lF-qflu/s400/IMG_2912+%255BDesktop+Resolutie%255D.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5656189208536365442" border="0" /></a><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg0CUGQD1JNU85ko3tWLerwqxAinUrTKa-WuUmnnM-SwCicoc5sEOm4L9bVvrqzqcWwnCfvgFJgsqCksDxZ_YsKWZMCq1f3VKUsLuKPio2XETCNLkpgDseA6WxhIiy_cYGP2d0Wnjgw-EgZ/s1600/IMG_2915+%255BDesktop+Resolutie%255D.JPG"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 300px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg0CUGQD1JNU85ko3tWLerwqxAinUrTKa-WuUmnnM-SwCicoc5sEOm4L9bVvrqzqcWwnCfvgFJgsqCksDxZ_YsKWZMCq1f3VKUsLuKPio2XETCNLkpgDseA6WxhIiy_cYGP2d0Wnjgw-EgZ/s400/IMG_2915+%255BDesktop+Resolutie%255D.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5656188908680440338" border="0" /></a><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh-SKSY54BHxWt6BXoNTBuObeeKuaYrzX6nMcPFHpbqHU7RCDjYJvZeO5btYVVF6uK83O4o27hyIMmkJ8VuKX37LfZxHfGavxH8xep8OSQ3EsJhuU4xziL_egWGEwQ4QknQOhLDxAvEUWYp/s1600/IMG_2889.JPG"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 300px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh-SKSY54BHxWt6BXoNTBuObeeKuaYrzX6nMcPFHpbqHU7RCDjYJvZeO5btYVVF6uK83O4o27hyIMmkJ8VuKX37LfZxHfGavxH8xep8OSQ3EsJhuU4xziL_egWGEwQ4QknQOhLDxAvEUWYp/s400/IMG_2889.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5656188822475370642" border="0" /></a><br /><br />A new statement ; FLUX USRuud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-12262804185604783942011-03-31T10:58:00.000-07:002011-03-31T11:00:03.868-07:00Social NetworksThe current social network cause the mail-art network to grow once again. A new generation (the 6th) learns online about mail-art and joins in.Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-9900465322744392812011-03-26T10:38:00.001-07:002011-03-26T10:38:36.843-07:00QUESTION<script type="text/javascript" charset="utf-8" src="http://static.polldaddy.com/p/4791543.js"></script><br /><noscript><br /> <a href="http://polldaddy.com/poll/4791543/">Which generation of Mail-Artists do you belong to? (see definition at: http://tampublications.blogspot.com/)</a><span style="font-size:9px;"><a href="http://polldaddy.com/features-surveys/">customer surveys</a></span><br /></noscript>Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-48492214953622143462011-03-26T10:04:00.001-07:002011-03-26T10:04:36.352-07:006th Generation of Mail-Artists<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgnobntl5AD4kE5DfpSwW0oJHvUuEn0-3qi0ecUeZAG5x6QMstMCU4aijwIFXFvUsMkKEnDZhyhzCdvZG43Rjmmj5maxLrlx0n-ra03wzGt_2xLjoT3DrKwFKZ3_qcsg1qFXmwiagwrJFY/s1600/Folder_Mail_Art_10_Sixth-Generation_2011_Page_1.jpg"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 283px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgnobntl5AD4kE5DfpSwW0oJHvUuEn0-3qi0ecUeZAG5x6QMstMCU4aijwIFXFvUsMkKEnDZhyhzCdvZG43Rjmmj5maxLrlx0n-ra03wzGt_2xLjoT3DrKwFKZ3_qcsg1qFXmwiagwrJFY/s400/Folder_Mail_Art_10_Sixth-Generation_2011_Page_1.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5588434910781102770" border="0" /></a><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgwf5joo98v2qsBv3fTexIovsd8IOb8J_Lb2FOE2RCpDhj9PenVRhwIgdEVMhkeFcMY9BhXULGBijXGFMJLngAeVehJ97Yf5Ic5G_KsvAOayAPjjiLinrHsOwVfGyhVnwIl1mmDe1K3S9Y/s1600/Folder_Mail_Art_10_Sixth-Generation_2011_Page_2.jpg"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 400px; height: 283px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgwf5joo98v2qsBv3fTexIovsd8IOb8J_Lb2FOE2RCpDhj9PenVRhwIgdEVMhkeFcMY9BhXULGBijXGFMJLngAeVehJ97Yf5Ic5G_KsvAOayAPjjiLinrHsOwVfGyhVnwIl1mmDe1K3S9Y/s400/Folder_Mail_Art_10_Sixth-Generation_2011_Page_2.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5588434809346042818" border="0" /></a>Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-1560712630298115492011-02-05T10:32:00.000-08:002011-02-05T10:34:47.950-08:00New Generation of Mail-ArtistsAfter writing the article on 5 generations of mail-artists I wondered what the 6th generation would be like. Now I know.<br /><br />Online, in social networks, people discover the mail-art movement where ther speak of snail-mail used as a medium for art. They join online and start to send out their first mail-art piece after being online for such a long time.<br /><br />So the 6th generation are the artists that move from the digital communication-world into the oldfashioned snail-mail world.Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-79935433601584570462011-01-06T10:18:00.000-08:002011-01-06T10:22:42.215-08:00The new mail-Art ProjectsA lot of new mail-art projects I see lately are simple of construction. The mail-artists thinks of a theme. Want the network to send him/her mailing (postal system only). What is the reward for the senders? Their artwork will be documented on a blog, and that is all the documentation that will ever be made.<br />For me it seems like a trade that isn't in balance. The artwork and sending costs a lot of money. The digitizing and making of a blog entry only takes a few minutes. I can understand that a lot of old-time mail-artists don't send in things to projects like these. Are these the modern times where the digital information is all we can afford for documentation?Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-24310470152323748292010-12-03T23:14:00.000-08:002010-12-03T23:20:01.534-08:00Scattering of InformationThe communication tools artists can play with have been widdened a lot. After the websites, the groups, the blogs and social networks, all these Internet Tools are now connected. The ones who can use all tools build their own social networks and arrange the processes to let the information flow easily. Not all have the technical skills to understand these tools completely, and the digital systems start to dictate what people can do or can't do.<br /><br />So, in a few years people will start to go back to basics. don't want to be in social networks that cause side-effect in cominication.<br /><br />You don't get many 'normal e-mails' anymore. The networks generate e-mails just to attract your attention to join in again. But the real communication from one person to another is what Mail-Art was all about. We will have to discover that again.Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-57113626355779083232010-12-03T23:10:00.000-08:002010-12-03T23:14:38.324-08:00The future of Mail<div>When I see in several countries that the postal systems are reducing their services because the amount of mail being brought to be processed is decreasing I get worried on the future of Mail. In Mail-Art things will go on as long as mail is sent. The die-hards will test the system to the last possible ways of sending out mail</div>Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-24422846923079991222010-10-01T22:07:00.001-07:002010-10-01T22:08:58.715-07:00Digital Mail-ArtMail-Art has to do with the process. With digital Mail-Art there are no artifacts left other then bits and bytes. I prefer the hardcopy Mail-Art where the artifacts are objects and paper and other materials one can hold and treasure.Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-76976957511524178362010-09-26T10:06:00.001-07:002010-09-26T10:09:48.218-07:00Definition<div>Any definition written by a mail-artist to explain MAIL ART is not what it is about. An outsider is the only one who can give a good and clear definition</div>Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-46305465043417122172010-06-13T04:44:00.001-07:002010-06-13T04:44:28.174-07:00IUOMA TV-ChannelYes, it is there. IUOMA's own TV-Channel, available at:<br /><br /><a href="http://ruudjanssen.blip.tv/"><strong><span style="font-size:180%;">http://ruudjanssen.blip.tv/</span></strong></a><br /><br />For you to see some of the videos that were made.Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2077715545563620288.post-17340316593259826632010-04-11T07:36:00.000-07:002010-04-11T07:37:15.986-07:0011-04-2010Fluxus and a good definition do not mix.Ruud Janssenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10405851031473598283noreply@blogger.com0